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An atheist is one who lacks a belief in one or more deities (i.e. gods). Atheists may include people who identify themselves as the following: agnostics, ignostics, strong atheists, weak atheists, Brights, most freethinkers, and anyone else who lacks a belief in such entities.

Anyone is welcome to this group, but it's purpose is to discuss philosophies, Science, reasoning, to ask questions, and to develop an atheist community in Minitokyo. Remember that bashing religions is not acceptable. That means no saying, religion X is stupid, idiotic, dumb, etc.

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Seriously...My father is all about religion...He says he is blessed...I don't believe in it...I guess you can say Im the opposite of him... but how were we created? all these stories...should we believe in them? Like god created us...well no one has seen or felt god...and no one has come back from the dead telling us what happens. Why was such a thing like heaven and hell created? We all disappear in the end...right?

wow...a bunch of stuff i wrote...

Quote by yothsothgoth@ProgramZERO
I didn't know the pope had said anything. I thought it was weird the other day when I was told the pope didn't eat in front of others... like he thinks he's a higher power or something. I'm not Catholic, so I don't really care much about or for the pope. I also personally get really peeved when people think that when one religious figurehead says something rude to others of a different faith, they think everyone thinks the same way. Its way too common when big-wig religious figures say crap like that. <_< You'd think if he was chosen by God to lead in some fashion, he'd have more tact in what he says to who... not to say that he wasn't chosen by God... just that he needs more tact when speaking to others.

Well, many believe that the pope is infallible which is quite a claim. He has millions of followers so when he says that Islam is evil, which has a membership rivaling Christianity, you're going to run into problems. He needs to tell people to follow the ten commandments (because too many are ignoring them) and button his lip... And start jailing some pedophiles instead of moving them around.

Quote: The movie sounds pretty interesting to me, I think I would like to watch that movie... see what he has to say. ^^

I don't know... I've read that one of the criticisms of Evolution (or "Darwinism" as the movie refers to it) is partially to blame for the holocaust. Makes me roll my eyes but I'll still watch it.

Quote: In my opinion, I've always thought that the sudden development of life, our perfect orbit, the moon with our perfect tides, the fact that we are intelligent life forms, the fact of gravity and how it works to balance out our existance, the existance of all the elements in their specific mollecular structures and their unique qualities necessicery for life, DNA and its complexity, the fact that the sun's distance away from us is near perfect and it controls our seasons and weather patterns with its lack or surplus of sunspots, the awesome electromagnetic field that protects us from the solar radiation, the atmosphere being able to sustain life, ...etc. To me, if we're a fluke... if we're here by accident... if we're here by random... then, wow... I'm really lucky to be here and now and to have been borne into existance in a random act of scientific improbability from the primordial sludge on this ethereal plane we call earth. XD

Sudden? Wasn't exactly sudden. The Earth is *thinks* 4,300,000,000 years old...?
Also, our orbit and perfect tides really don't mean much when you consider the fact that life evolved around these tides and the seasons so they are perfect in the sense that life evolved around the orbit and the tides, not the other way around. Some life has been found in what one would think to be an unfavorable environment.
Additionally, how many planets are in the universe?........... Many, many planets....... I'm plenty sure some would be suited for life. It's birth of the fittest enough to harbor life... planet that is...
And an almost perfect distance from the sun could suggest intelligent design if you ignore the countless planets that are too close or too far. It seems more random than planned.
Given, life is a very complex and mysterious mechanism that we have yet to unlock and for these Intelligent Design proponents to say what they say, is an unsubstantiated claim that really has no scientific application. A giant bearded man in the sky or flying spaghetti monster are equally as possible with the 'evidence' they've provided.

Quote by onyhowThanks for the response...

The thing is...I have problems with my mother here...I declare myself as nonreligious, as I feel that I can be a good person without religion...but my mom won't just take it...she insisted that a person must have religion to be good...

It's just annoying...

Yeah, it's rough to admit it to people. I don't want to tell my coworkers because I don't know how they may react... I'll tell them with time and if they ask me, otherwise it is an unimportant matter. Many of my friends know about it and didn't care and others I have found have a problem with it which they simply shelve away... Sigh...

Oooo, thats going to be harsh, but most people have to let go of their sons/daughters anyways.

merged: 04-25-2008 ~ 08:25am
Not harsh in a bad way, lol.

Quote by onyhowThanks for the response...

The thing is...I have problems with my mother here...I declare myself as nonreligious, as I feel that I can be a good person without religion...but my mom won't just take it...she insisted that a person must have religion to be good...

It's just annoying...

I don't know what kind of a person your mother is, but I'm sure that she means well in the grand scheme of things. I think you can be a good person without religion. My brother is kind of in the same situation... mom is so upset that he's not a believer like us. He is a decent person and tries to tell her that he doesn't have to have religion (or at least ours) to be happy or a good person. Mom is mostly upset because how we believe - our faith tells us that if you don't believe in God, you don't get to heaven. That's what mom wants is for her family to be with her in the afterlife and since we believe that way, she feels hurt. Does that make sense? She means well and in her point of view and through her beliefs, her son is condemning himself to hell. I wonder if your mom feels like that towards you.

Thanks for the response...

The thing is...I have problems with my mother here...I declare myself as nonreligious, as I feel that I can be a good person without religion...but my mom won't just take it...she insisted that a person must have religion to be good...

It's just annoying...

@onyhow
My younger brother hates organized religion. That's been a conflict in my immediate family. My parents can't stand it. He believes its corrupted by the leaders and the followers. I suppose I don't mind... I pretty much agree with how he feels about the world and religion, but he hates the mass "worship" and all it entails.

@ProgramZERO
I didn't know the pope had said anything. I thought it was weird the other day when I was told the pope didn't eat in front of others... like he thinks he's a higher power or something. I'm not Catholic, so I don't really care much about or for the pope. I also personally get really peeved when people think that when one religious figurehead says something rude to others of a different faith, they think everyone thinks the same way. Its way too common when big-wig religious figures say crap like that. <_< You'd think if he was chosen by God to lead in some fashion, he'd have more tact in what he says to who... not to say that he wasn't chosen by God... just that he needs more tact when speaking to others.

The movie sounds pretty interesting to me, I think I would like to watch that movie... see what he has to say. ^^

In my opinion, I've always thought that the sudden development of life, our perfect orbit, the moon with our perfect tides, the fact that we are intelligent life forms, the fact of gravity and how it works to balance out our existance, the existance of all the elements in their specific mollecular structures and their unique qualities necessicery for life, DNA and its complexity, the fact that the sun's distance away from us is near perfect and it controls our seasons and weather patterns with its lack or surplus of sunspots, the awesome electromagnetic field that protects us from the solar radiation, the atmosphere being able to sustain life, ...etc. To me, if we're a fluke... if we're here by accident... if we're here by random... then, wow... I'm really lucky to be here and now and to have been borne into existance in a random act of scientific improbability from the primordial sludge on this ethereal plane we call earth. XD

Quote by onyhowAnyone here have religious conflict within your family?

Yes, my sister is quite religious and likes to determine what music I can and can't listen to.

I don't think anyone noticed this below:
Wish the pope had exercised some restraint... BTW, what of his visit?

And what of the movie Expelled, narrated by Ben Stein? Have you seen the commercial?

Nope, but I got superstitious conflicts, which are RETARDED...

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